Once again he’s just showing his anti-Christian bias as he puts up another straw man argument directed at Christianity, not Paley’s argument. A large premise in Humes argument however is that an animal does not need a creator. False Cause Fallacy   (Mistake @ 2.44) Arrows neither aim themselves, nor shoot themselves. What evidence do we have that God is complex?  How did he examine God? However, modern science has shown that Hume's arguments were based upon ignorance, and were, in fact, wrong. He concludes that because the universe is complex, its designer must be complex – the way a watch or the universe is complex. In this section he also invokes a Circular Reasoning argument, claiming we have “millions of examples of nature creating complex life.” That’s his (false) conclusion.  We have no evidence of that, only evolutionary fairytales that  evolutionists tell us. Key Point Based on the way the world is, God logically exists. Addressing specific errors in Critiques of Paley. Doesn’t Support Theism (Mistake @ 7:17) False Analogy Fallacy (Mistake @ 1:35) Watch / universe is not product of impersonal principle of order, 6. How does Paley answer the objection that the universe could have come into order and pattern by chance? He concludes that because the universe is complex, its designer must be complex – the way a watch or the universe is complex. likening a human being to a watch, and secondly because it regards teleology as … First, to think of God in those terms is to fall to the error of Anthropomorphism – God is not complex in that manner – with many pieces and parts and complex workings the way a watch or the universe is.  God is immaterial and thus has no such parts. 2.) Paley’s teleological argument for the existence of God makes an analogy between a watch and the universe. Because every atheist I speak to says there’s no evidence of God. ( Log Out /  But he fails at that too. It also has a sense of a moral obligation. Therefore, the universe is (probably) a product of intelligent design (purpose). The analogy is used for what analogies are typically used for, to help the reader understand a deeper point, the analogy in and of itself is NOT the argument. “…It completely ignores evolution by natural selection”, For evolution to be even remotely feasible, it must explain 1. What makes it the case that this is a better explanation of the existence of the watch than an explanation which attributes the existence of the watch to a series of more or less random natural events? Here he states, “The watch maker argument doesn’t support theism. I was asked to defend the assessment  I made  of a critique of Paley‘s argument by YouTube channel “Rationality Rules”, in which I claimed the video was a joke because it misunderstood the argument and used straw man arguments and logical flaws.  Specifically I was asked to defend: 1.) Also false. Improbable” simply fail: “Mt Improbable and other impossible evolutionary dreams“. His argument played a prominent role in natural theology. 6. Answer where the necessary increase in information comes to do things like change body types. “Darwin assumed that the increase of information comes from natural selection. So this argument falls along with the false contention of being self refuting. Paley’s watchmaker is the most famous version; it is based on analogy between a watch and the world. Duane Caldwell | November 30,  2019 | Printer friendly version Perhaps the most famous variant of this argument is the William Paley’s “watch” argument. Write. Paley argues that, if one was to find a watch laying on the ground and was to be aske… He then goes on to state that the argument says that “Complexity Requires a designer (1:18). Michael J. Behe, Darwin’s Black Box – The Biochemical Challenge to Evolution, New York: Free Press, 1996, p. 39 Drops of Mercy – The best option is that the watch is product of intelligent design. 4. which is created – which means the creator must be beyond or outside of time since he existed “before” he created it;  Thus the creator is eternal, Material/Matter This objection misses the point and thus fails because Paley’s argument is not an argument based on analogy. Watch’s / universe’s imperfections do not exclude a designer, 3. To follow the example in the argument, we know the watch is complex by examination. An overview of William Paley's Watch analogy for students of religious studies and philosophy of religion. Second, he attempts to expose Paley’s argument as manifestly poor when interpreted in this way. As I’ve already pointed out.  The argument uses an analogy, but the argument itself is NOT the analogy.  Failure to understand this point means you simply don’t understand the argument. 1-6.] Therefore, the watch can be simply replaced for another object and there would be a different outcome. 4. Unit 5.4 Paley's Watch Argument. He’s not making an analogy between the watch and the universe.  His argument is based on the identification of design. Match. ( Log Out /  Here’s one that deals with a topic we’ve been discussing – specified complexity – and why Neo-Darwinism – and Dawkins’ “Mt. Abstract: Paley's "watch argument" is sketched together with initial suggested objections to his reasoning. (Argument from analogy) 3. The argument from design is sometimes call the teleological argument. It is a Greek word meaning “end” for telos and a “logos” which means the study of, and in this case, it refers to science. But Paley’s concepts of “purposeful design” [5] and “contrivances” [6] anticipate these concepts, and thus his argument is clearly a teleological one – not an argument based on analogy. Change ), You are commenting using your Facebook account. Our ignorance about a watch / universe does not mean we can’t draw some inferences about watch / universe, B. So I am inserting the break at the top — NR] Paley’s teleological argument is: just as the function and complexity of a watch implies a watch-maker, so likewise the function and complexity … On Paley’s use of “contrivances” But in doing so he concedes the existence of a designer. Therefore, the universe is (probably) a product of intelligent design (purpose) 4. 1-6.] Notice that a creator who was designed, and thus began to exist is incompatible with an eternal creator outside of time. And we know this from all the genetic operations studies that we have.”, The only thing in Neo-Darwinism that can add information is mutations – and they are almost, He further claims “We know for a fact that nature can, does and has produced remarkably complex organisms without a conscious and intelligent behind them.”(4:14) We know no such thing. Objection 2. So I’ve already answered #1 – it does not represent the argument accurately, but let me apply it to this video: Furthermore, Paley’s argument is rooted in similarities that he observes between a crafted machine and the natural world. Basically, this argument says that after seeing a watch, with all its intricate parts, which work together in a precise fashion to keep time, one must deduce that this piece of machinery has a creator, since it is far too complex to have simply come into being by some other means, such as evolution. He identifies how we can infer a designer – “if the effect is both complex and specified”[2] furthermore he notes, we must rule out automatic or natural processes, so we must also establish contingency, or as he puts it, to infer design, “we must establish three things: contingency, complexity and specification. “First and foremost what single handedly debunks the watchmaker argument is that it’s a false analogy.” So clearly this objection is already false, but let’s play along. Thus examining the evidence as Paley did, one must conclude that God is eternal, and thus uncreated, and thus without beginning or end, and thus uncaused and un-designed. What conclusion would you draw if you found a watch on the road out in the heath (countryside)? State Paley’s argument for God’s existence as clearly as possible. There must be an apparent reason for the complexity and a goal or purpose for the complexity.  There is clearly an apparent reason behind the complexity in a watch: its many “contrivances” allow it to keep time according to the specification of hours, minutes and seconds.  Not so with crystals.  They exhibit merely a complex ordering of matter, with no apparent goal or purpose. If he came across a mechanical watch on the ground, he would assume that its many complex parts fitted together for a … This is the fallacy of Division. If we came across this watch even if we didn’t ... Paley’s Watchmaker and Design Argument. The critique asserts that “The Watchmaker analogy is a recurring argument for a designer which by way of analogy asserts that complexity requires a designer.” (Time mark 0:16). Which is true – complexity in and off itself does not require a designer. it looks to the end purpose of things. In Paley’s Watch Argument, the watch is used as an analogy of the universe while the watchmaker is used as an analogy of God. 11. Second this objection assumes that in the group of complex things,  God is like the other complex things. So clearly he doesn’t know God is complex by examination. Order or intricacy of watch / universe is not merely our human mind imposing order on watch / universe, 7. Paley presented an argument which contains an analogy. As I noted above, complexity by itself does not require a designer. He then goes on to “formally” attempt to debunk the argument. The various pieces and parts were fashioned to achieve a particular end or goal, and thus they have an intelligent goal maker. His argument played a prominent role in natural theology. Everyone should have one (The Watchmaker Analogy), 1.  Thomas Aquinas, Summa Theologiae – Volume 1 The Existence of God, Part One: Questions 1-13, Garden City, New York: Image Books, 1969, p.70 Back, Featured Image Traditionally – and certainly in Paley’s day –  there is only one universe, which would then imply one designer.  In these days when physicists and cosmologists claim the existence of a multi-verse (to try escape the inescapable conclusion of fine tuning in the universe) – he might want to claim many designers for a multi-verse – but that’s a separate argument. from Expelled, No Intelligence Allowed, Documentary by Ben Stein, 2008 However, where my grandma uses zoo animals to teach this, Paley is famous for using a common watch. 8. Here he invokes the common atheist “Who designed God?” argument by trying to “apply the argument to itself.”. Thus the conclusion from the teleological argument about God is not only does God who created the universe exist, but  based on the nature of that universe, he must be eternal, immaterial, omnipresent, omniscient and omnipotent – just as the Bible depicts him. His most famous argument is called the watchmaker analogy, where Paley makes an inference from the complexity of living systems to a "designer". One need merely take a look at all the skeptics who try (unsuccessfully) to refute it. Though many objections are put forth, all fail spectacularly for usually the same small set of reasons: either because the skeptic doesn’t understand the argument and thus raises irrelevant objections –, William Dembski’s “specified complexity” is a teleological argument. Let’s look a bit more closely at premise (2) in the above argument for the conclusion that the watch had an intelligent designer. William Paley's watchmaker analogy is basically a teleological argument. One of the main assumptions of Paley's argument is that 'like effects have like causes'; or that machines (like the watch) and the universe have similar features of design and so both also have the same cause of their existence: they must both have an intelligent designer. William Paley : This short anonymous summary of Paley's life is from the Internet Encyclopædia of Philosophy . An irreducibly complex system cannot be produced directly (that is, by continuously improving the initial function, which continues to work by the same mechanism) by slight, successive modifications of a precursor system, because any precursor to an irreducibly complex system that is missing a part is by definition nonfunctional.”[4]. Today, as in his own time (though for different reasons), Paley is a controversial figure, a lightning rod for both sides in the contemporary … 7. Why all the effort? I think William Paley’s argument is very reasonable to the idea that it merely implies that the imaginary function of the watch would suggest the existence of something conscious and intelligent and therefore would mean that nature would require a much greater designer than the watch, that designer is god and that he clearly distinguishes that the watch and nature are two different complexities and … Footnote 1 Darwin was influenced by Paley’s work, and some modern authors have cited it as an important example of pre-Darwinian “adaptationist” thinking (e.g., Dawkins 1986 ; Williams 1992 ; but see Gliboff 2000 ; McLaughlin 2008 ). The argument hinges upon the assumed premise that 'like causes resemble like effects'. And now that you see all his fatal flaws in his attempts to refute it, and you see it thus remains un-refuted, we are left with: “It is what I personally consider to be one of the best arguments for a deity that has ever been.” To that, I agree. Full video: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=s06w4pXvUyk&t=400s Join George and John as they discuss and debate different Philosophical ideas. That concludes his flawed arguments. Back, 4. Thus they do not help in the selecting for survival. But Paley’s concepts of “purposeful design”[5] and  “contrivances”[6] anticipate these concepts, and thus his argument is clearly a teleological one – not an argument based on analogy. Telos means end (as in “endzone” in football) or purpose or goal. To follow the example in the argument, we know the watch is complex by examination. But as the main point has already been refuted, in the interest of brevity I will not bother with every sub-mistake under his main mistake.  Â, 5. c. Paley’s Watchmaker Argument. Does the universe exhibit design, like a watch? William Paley begins his “Argument from Design” by enumerating key differences between two obviously dissimilar objects—a stone and a watch. William Paley The Watch and the Watchmaker [From Natural Theology, or Evidences of the Existence and Attributes of the Deity Collected from the Appearances of Nature (1802), pp. Because it is so clear, so easy to understand, so obvious, that it is a powerful argument for the existence of God. And what can we learn from the creation?  We learn that God is timeless, eternal, and all powerful among other things.  How do we know this?  As already stated, from an examination  of the nature of creation. Change ), You are commenting using your Twitter account. But once again, Paley’s point is not on the complexity alone. At the end of this section he goes into the Problem of Evil – another theological problem not addressed by the Teleological Argument.  For more on the problem of evil, which is addressed by the Moral Argument (not the teleological argument), see here. Published in 1802, it purports to give “evidences of the existence and attributes of … his assertion that Paley confuses correlation with causation, also another false assertion that is unfounded. 2. Hence, Paley’s argument is referred to as the Teleological Argument – i.e. In his work, Paley uses a teleological argument based on the watchmaker analogy. The “analogy” is to help understand the argument. As geneticist Dr. Marciej Giertych puts it:Â, “Darwin assumed that the increase of information comes from natural selection. Hume does not William Paley’s Watch maker argument The above are not the words Paley use. This is what we expect from the creator of life and the universe. 3. It’s on all that has to happen to bring it about – the planning, purpose, the assembling of parts in a particular order to achieve a specific end.  All these speak to design and purpose, not merely to just complexity. Paley attempts to show that just as a watch, which is a complex device that fulfills a certain function, requires a maker, the universe, which is equally sophisticated and has complex life forms must have a designer. So the incarnation of Jesus reveals God in a way no rational argument can.  So in summary, the argument doesn’t identify God, but neither does it preclude the Abrahamic God. But natural selection reduces genetic information. )  The argument speaks to the designer of the universe. Paley attempts to show that just as a watch, which is a complex device that fulfills a certain function, requires a maker, the universe, which is equally sophisticated and has complex life forms must have a designer. He identifies how we can infer a designer – “if the effect is both complex and specified”, Michael Behe’s “irreducible complexity” is also a teleological argument. Here he complains about “mistakes” and “sub-optimal design”.  Paley addresses this in his argument. Fill in your details below or click an icon to log in: You are commenting using your WordPress.com account. Another common objection is that complexity doesn’t require a designer. The Argument fails because the analogy fails. Like my grandma, he believed creation is proof that God is real. Created by. It has been hugely influential in the field of natural sciences – especially Biology – even though the majority of people have never heard of it. )  Because Natural Selection is a process that REMOVES information, it doesn’t add it. He’s trying to refute the Judeo-Christian one, unique God. It Doesn’t Imply a Designer, it Implies Many (mistake @ 6:19) One of his concluding statements is rather revealing: “Though the watch maker argument is thoroughly flawed it is nevertheless what I personally consider to be one of the best arguments for a deity that has ever been.”. But natural selection reduces genetic information. Here he’s just spouting Evolutionary dogma while begging the question. For the sake of meaningful contrast, Paley emphasizes three distinguishing properties lacked by the former and possessed by the latter. "Paley's argument is made with passionate sincerity and is informed by the best biological scholarship of the day, but it is wrong, gloriously and utterly wrong. As noted above – the conclusion from the teleological argument is that God is eternal, and thus cannot begin to exist, and thus cannot be designed. So right off the bat we see this attempt to debunk Paley’s does not represent the argument accurately according to Christian presentations as elaborated above. No amount of clear, logical reasoning will convince those who do not want to believe. If there are problems in a design we can still detect it was designed.Â. Marciej Giertych ref. The argument makes use of an anaology as Paley compares a watch and the Earth/universe. Most naturalists take for granted that Hume soundly defeated Paley's argument. Paley also addressed a number of possible counterarguments: Objection: We don’t know who the watchmaker is. Watch A target or goal in mind, 3. Thus in identifying that the universe is designed, it is clear the universe must have a designer. The identification of design requires a designer. Ignores Natural Selection (Mistake @ 3:52) 2. 1. Here’s one that deals with a topic we’ve been discussing – specified complexity – and why Neo-Darwinism – and Dawkins’ “Mt. The point of the argument is to prove God exists – which it does.  Besides, the reason God sent Jesus was to reveal God. Michael Behe’s “irreducible complexity” is also a teleological argument. Why is this important? 1) Entities w, x, and y have attributes A, B and C 2) Entity z have attribute A and B 3) Therefore, entity z … which is created – which means the creator must be other than material or immaterial, Space But Paley’s concepts of “purposeful design” [5] and “contrivances” [6] anticipate these concepts, and thus his argument is clearly a teleological one – not an argument based on analogy. Even if it were accepted to be a sound argument (‘which it’s not’ he puts on the screen), it would only prove that the universe had a universe designer.”  So once again, going down this path, he concedes God, but now he’s playing ignorant on what we mean by “God”.  Well I’ve already defined that in number 6 above. Paley’s argument can be broadly categorised as a type of teleological argument, and a distinctly modern one. 2.  His understanding of the use of complexity is flawed. William Dembski, Intelligent Design – the Bridge Between Science & Theology, Downer’s Grove, IL:IVP Academic, 1999, p.47 The only thing in Neo-Darwinism that can add information is mutations – and they are almost always negative in impact (video). Bryana_Polk2. Winner success concept © Mbolina | Dreamstime.com  used by permission. Skeptics routinely give these two objections to the Paley’s argument: Objection 1. At most I will grant the argument does not identify the Abrahamic God – but that’s not the point of the argument. It is also referred to as the Design Argument as it looks for evidence of God’s existence through design in creation. Perhaps the most famous variant of this argument is the William Paley’s “watch” argument. A sequence or action to achieve the target 4. How do I know? “… It commits a false cause fallacy.

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