But it is impossible to answer which one is harder. As both a classical and jazz pianist, I have often pondered whether, in fact, the prescribed nature of many classical pieces restricts the musical outcome; and that with jazz, in terms of a jazz standard tune, for example, the options are so wide the outcome will necessarily be more imaginative. If you have an account, sign in now to post with your account. But I've also seen some very impressive classical guitar. Is jazz harder than classical? Rock, folk, blues. Anything you could point out as being hard, I could counter with a scenario that would make it even harder. Classical music gives you everything, but jazz is all about interpretation. Liz. Close. There's no right or wrong answer there. For solo piano? Hard to pronounce but even harder to play, Sorabji’s Opus clavicembalisticum lasts for over four hours in total, spread across 12 movements. Scott what's his name. In 1927 he completed his first … Relevance. I think it was all Vai for that part. This is an easy way to tell difference between this types of guitars. It is going to be an individual thing and only the person attempting these two styles will be able to let us know. What are the best jazz versions of classical music. Classical music can be considered to cover a time span that covers over a millennium. But, just because you are proficient in one style doesn't mean you can play another "easier" style well. Note: Your post will require moderator approval before it will be visible. Definitely DO NOT bring them into a classical setting unless you're playing something like this, in which case you can kinda do whatever you want. anything can only be as hard or easy as you make it. share. It is responsive. So in reply I drew a portrait of one of them, which they pretended not to like (probably because it looked like the subject). People who have no training, or experience in music have absolutely no problem answering this question. If you’re struggling with how tough steel strings are to play, one thing you can do is use lighter strings. There are fewer forms of modern music as well, with the songs consisting of a series of verses and choruses in various orders. Jazz has a lot of open space and you need to be able to fill it. I have and it ain't pretty.   Your link has been automatically embedded. Thanks! read more, Picking for jazz can be introduced in other styles, but there's really nowhere other than classical to pick up that kind of fingerpicking technique. Studies based on scales / arpeggios rather than scales / arpeggios themselves. How else can you explain why different people can play the same piece and they can be so emotionally different. Because it’s more popular than you think. Wynton Marsalis too is known as a performer of classical music, just to make the first examples that I can think of. With my classical playing, I am constantly trying to speak while interpreting what is already written. I can't understand how jazz is the slightest bit complicated, metal is way more complicated than jazz no matter how I think of it. And I sort of think that they're winging it more than a neo-classical guitarist who is thinking more in a mathematical way. Well what ever level of hardness you assign to it, someone may have found it easier than you did. They are fairly similar and it’s hard to spot the difference for a complete novice. Best jazz guitarists are those who have discovered how to make the guitar work for them, not against them. Answer Save. I've always thought that most top flight Jazz guys have all the skill and technique of your best classical players but with the added advantage of being better improvisational musicians. The classical tenor player may find the most success with a Selmer S80 C**, a Selmer S90 180, or a Vandoren Optimum TL3. Of course, performing something like a Liszt concerto accurately takes many years of practice, but Lizst has already done a good chunk of the work by writing the notes. read more. What style is harder to play well, classical or jazz? You also have techniques like sweep picking show up in jazz. During this long span of time classical music underwent a number of significant transitions through different periods of music. You just need to have had pushy parents who insisted you play half an hour every evening on something you don't really enjoy, then a slightly effete music teacher with limp wrists to yap at you when you sing the wrong note. But then to counter my own argument...to take a previously written classical piece and give it your own sound..well that's pretty amazing too. You have to be the master of your trade, fully confident in your skills and versed in theory if you want to be a classical guitarist. I can understand the "it's impossible to say/completely different disciplines" view. Xenakiboy, Antiquarian liked this post Jul-22-2016, 05:59 #5. © 1995-2019 Harmony Central, Inc. All rights reserved. Scaruffi.com states that classical music has many more nuances to style than modern music. Because of this, many people unknowingly regularly listen to classical music. I play a very wide range of genres of instruments, from metal guitar in a jam session, jazz guitar, alto sax, latin piano, rock, classical, etc... so I have experience with a lot of things. × save. × 8. Jazz also has a much larger scope for improvisation which eludes a lot of classical pianists. read more guitarman3001, November 9, 2009 in Electric Guitars. Julian Bream's playing and interpretation just blow my mind, and I'd rather listen to him than just about anyone on any style of guitar. EVH for Eruption and that classical influenced arpeggio sort of chops near the end of Cross Roads where Jack Butler (Steve Vai) loses to The Karate Kid. Some people may be more easily able to learn one style over another style. Playing classical music is extremely hard. Musical knowledge and improvisation as options rather than aural tests. Xenakiboy. Classical music mostly features in pop music forming background music for movies, television program, and advertisement. I don't want to hear a full set of any one style. Most of the answers here, however, deal with the different kinds of music you play on them. Classical requires the ability to sight read, while jazz requires the ability to creatively process musical ideas, to understand, instead of simply translating from page. Also, classical music is known to have a wide dynamic range and will often speed up and slow down at different movements. 0 0 1. Both are very easy to make sounds on, compared with a steel-strung acoustic guitar. Both forms of music will withstand time equally as well 5. The body shape of the acoustic guitar is different than classical guitar. They are different, but with enough practice a decent guitar player can play classical. Both the classical and jazz guitar requires a lot of skill. The short answer is no. I voted Jazz but probably more because I have a soft spot for it over classical. When I think jazz, I'm thinking of guys like Joe Pass, Scotty Anderson, etc.. Yes, they tend to be harder on your skin than nylon, but regular practice tends to create calluses on your skin which helps prevent actual cutting. The one catch - and this is coming from someone who has never attempted a classical piece - is that jazz requires improvisation whereas classical does not (as far as I am aware). Register to get answer. In general, I would say it's much harder to improvise a jazz solo than to perform an already-written classical work. Classical pianists are faced with the rigorous task of sight reading. Jazz players will look down their nose at you and not even deign to pretend that you could (or should) even consider that you have the right to understand how difficult it is to play 'jazz'. They are designed for large tip openings and chambers to open up the sound, like what is found on my 7* link. I see jazz through dim glasses: in a way it's harder, because I am a classical player. Lv 7. The brass section would just sit there and be pissed that they picked a ghay instrument to play.. Like I said, it was cool. History of Jazz Music. So I'd say jazz is harder. I think anyone could do it, with the right training and background. read more. Modern De Lucia inspired flamenco. These gray-haired classical music lovers seem to continue to love classical music (there is evidence, according to Dempster, that people are more attracted to classical music in middle age than in their youth), but if you’re a teen and your mom and dad love something, chances are good that you’ll, if not outright hate it, at least think it’s pretty lame. I don't think one is more difficult than the other. I've used the ZZs in jazz ensemble. But anyone who says jazz is better because of its complexity doesn't understand music. Jazz is a music genre that originated in the African-American communities of New Orleans, Louisiana, United States, in the late 19th and early 20th centuries, with its roots in blues and ragtime. Or maybe it's because I've spent a lot more time playing classical and jazz is still kinda scary territory for me, outside of basic chord progressions. 50% of the people I came across who played an instrument at Uni) were complete tossers.   Your previous content has been restored. Posted by 3 years ago. But whereas I could paint and draw, they didn't have a {censored}ing clue. Piano Classical sounds harder than piano Jazz? The classical period of music actually spans a time from of 1750 to 1800; thus, the term Classical is a misnomer and could more correctly be changed to Western Art Music or European Art Music. Students instructed in the classical style typically focus on learning to read individual notes on sheet music. Physically or artistically? Creativity with classical guitar is in the interpretation. Just because they're not inventing a solo doesn't mean that they're not creative. You can post now and register later. I started classical piano when I was 6 and got to grade 7. Some guitarists spray a lubricant on the strings that helps make them less abrasive. A lot of classical musicians, when they try to play jazz, think you have to "swing" on every single note. The exaggerated vibrato is tricky, but not as tricky as the inability to throw notes away, which is a key element of pop and jazz – singing through all the notes kills the swing. What is the difference between jazz and classical music? Ergo - guitar is harder, for jazz. And giving it feeling and swing. Jazz and classical music have different traditions and points of focus. Be the first to answer this question. When you first start learning about guitars, it not uncommon to mistake an acoustic guitar for a classical one. The jazz guy might be able to cover his improvizational meanderings. But in another way it is easier because I am not trying to take it to the level I am trying to take my classical playing to. I like jazz guitar too but am fascinated with neoclassical guitar. Display as a link instead, × Jazz saxophone has been around since the 1930s and it is still a popular style today. Was it hard? Some times he misses the boat. Musically, I say the edge goes to jazz. I was comparing arranging a classical song to improving Jazz, I listen to classical and jazz (mostly non-guitar, but still some) and I don't play either. What style is harder to become proficient in? Classical vs Jazz Music. Listening to classical music, as so many introduction courses tell us, requires a basic understanding of form and sub-genre. I can appreciate Yngwie for his efforts. Piano Classical sounds harder than piano Jazz? Classical players will look down their nose at you, but pat you on the back as you struggle through your grade 4 piece, and pretend you are doing well, when in fact they are thinking 'this person hasn't got it and he never will'. Switching from major to minor scales through an ascending or descending arpeggio. Totally different animals, but I like the idea. Everytime he left the room, me (guitar) and the drummer and bassist would break into Metallica or something totally NON-Jazz.. Be the first to answer! Is it still easy? With my classical playing, I am constantly trying to speak while interpreting what is already written. 19 comments. These choices not only include a multitude of artists, but also a wide diversity of music categories. Classical by far.. Style. On the other hand, jazz guitar is a whole new level of complexity. A jazz pianist has a difficult time to find their voice because of all of these creative parts of jazz. ... which is about three times harder than Silver Maple. Part 2 - The difference between classical and jazz music - Pianist Christopher Brent gives a demonstration! [Halford]I am the THREAD KILL-LER! And then again,...is there less soul in thinking this way. Musically, I say the edge goes to jazz. I'm grade 8 ANZCA classical, same as grade 8 ABRSM and Grade 9,10 RCM,and sometimes, for fun, I'll play some jazz, boogie woogie or blues pieces of the same grade. Is metal more complex than jazz and classical music? This is probably because of the prominence of the drum set in jazz, which is extremely loud compared to any chamber instrument (and has gotten considerably louder with the advent of rock music) and tends to play at a fairly consistent volume. Which style do you think is more difficult to master, and why? I was a lazy bastard and I managed it, and it wasn't particularly in my genes or anything like that. A classical pianist can generally transfer over to jazz easier than a jazz pianist to classical. In my opinion, neither of them is harder than the other although many classical riffs may be a bit more complex as jazz melodies are often created by running scales. In classical music, emphasis is placed on the emotion and interpretation performers put into a written piece of music. 0 0. Source: shinemusic.com.au. Is jazz considered contemporary classical music? And classical too, because music that is beginner stuff for piano is high level for guitar. 3. it just blows my mind. Yes No. Which is harder: Classical Mechanics or Quantum Mechanics? Except that there's also a lot of creativity in that seemingly perfect interpretation. Simple question, maybe not so simple answer. You have jacked up classical technique and extensive improvisation. Still...it's not writing your own stuff though. Classical guitar has inspired the birth of many songs by famous rock acts, such as “Dee” by the late and venerable Randy Rhoads from Ozzy Osbourne’s 1980 album Blizzard of Ozz, and Steve Howe’s “Mood for a Day” from Yes’ 1971 album Fragile. Rock is a much younger form of music than classical 4. Reading sheet music is probably one of the most arduous and tedious tasks of playing classical music. Very very hard to know which is 'better.' Jazz has a lot of open space and you need to be able to fill it. then, lest see you do it with only one hand. 1.Most classical music adheres to a strict set of rules whereas rock is much freer musically 2.Classical music generally is more complicated than rock music (although not always true). Creativity is big with me and it's an aspect of classical that is missing in my opinion. I think this is what blows it for Yngwie. If you have a good ear, then classical is easier. Learning complex classical and jazz riffs will take much dedication and practice to master and proper finger technique will dictate how well one can play for both genres. © 1995-2019 Harmony Central, Inc. All rights reserved. If you have a bluesy way of playing like I do it came much easier.. Wouldn't even know where to start with Classical:confused: But it probably isn't rocket science to become 'proficient' as a classical player. They both take a remarkable level of dedication to reach the master level. I was curious if there was any jazz as hard as high level Liszt pieces etc? Classical Vs Flamenco Guitar. Not Helpful 0 Helpful 1. OK, it’s hard to narrow these down to just one - but Berio’s experimental Sequenzas were actually designed to push the boundaries of what might be possible with any given instrument. I'd say you could probably spend more time playing jazz and never get completely comfortable with it while classical is all about disciplined practice. But in another way it is easier because I am not trying to take it to the level I am trying to take my classical playing to. It depends on your strengths. Is there any Jazz as hard as top classical pieces? Would you agree jazz is harder than classical? is there anyone here proficient enough at both to be able to give their opinion? It gets torturous by the end of one of his sets. I could mention even persons I know personally who have started as classical musicians and then they have made a career playing jazz. Someone else may have found it harder. Classical; many styles of Latin and Brazilian music; some pop, folk, and jazz as well. Is jazz or classical harder? Agree completely. Though the modern pieces are of the same difficulty as the classical pieces, I feel like jazz pieces just sound easier, is it just me? But either can be achieved for any type of person if you meaningfully practice for an hour a day and dedicate yourself to learning properly. Listen to a number of different players play a difficult piece of repertoire (Bach's Chaconne, etc), and listen to how they play it. My Jazz teacher was a total "tosser" as you call them. Hang out at a high end stereo shop (not talking mass market crap... high end... $3,000+ speakers) and you'll find a large chunk of them listen to jazz and classical and relatively few play. As for Jazz, there's an awful lot of variations. Paste as plain text instead, × In jazz guitar is trying to edge in on other instruments. As to which is more difficult, how long is a piece of string? Guitar is easier for other stuff. All that proves is how few people you know. Their brains showed more awareness of the fingering, and as a result they made fewer errors while playing. But inside they feel all smug and pleased. If reading music comes naturally to you, then jazz is easier. I find the classical structure much easier to follow and therefore easier to learn, whereas jazz is more fluid and incorporates faster phrases. This focus on chords is the main area where contemporary piano technique differs from classical piano. A jazz pianist has a difficult time to find their voice because of all of these creative parts of jazz. I played Jazz for quite some time. And classical too, because music that is beginner stuff for piano is high level for guitar. Pop, jazz, and rock songs are often structured around sets of chords—they are the building blocks of contemporary music. I think a neo classical style is harder to maintain and bring to it's logical conclusion when writing that stuff. Archived. Ask a Question. Jazz is not as restrictive, but it takes a lot of knowledge to be able to play Jazz and make it sound right. Such a blend of musical elements was not entirely new: by 1924 both Milhaud and Gershwin had composed classical works that incorporated elements of jazz Johnson, a serious musician more experienced than most classical composers with jazz, blues, spirituals, and popular music, was particularly suited to expand Milhaud's and Gershwin's experiments. read more. never heard of any of those. Scaruffi.com states that classical music has many more nuances to style than modern music. I've seen that myself when comparing blues to neo-classical shred. I'm grade 8 ANZCA classical, same as grade 8 ABRSM and Grade 9,10 RCM,and sometimes, for fun, I'll play some jazz, boogie woogie or blues pieces of the same grade. 0 0. While learning to play each technically and learn to arrange is surely challenging, I would tend to think improv is that extra "wrinkle". In a sense, jazz is the branch between the Romantic period (late Classical Music in the 1800's) and Rock and modern music. But it is a classical music forum, and I know a heck of a lot more about classical music than I do about jazz. Classical pianists base a lot of their strength in the piano from technique where Jazz pianists rely much more on their rhythmic understanding and scales/chord forms and progressions. When comparing classical vs acoustic guitar, acoustic guitar strings will feel harder when you press your fingers on them. And of course, even if no ones heard the classical shred before, it's either right or wrong. Clear editor. For jazz, the Otto Link metal 7*, the Vandoren V16 hard rubber T7, and the Jody Jazz HR 7* will all work beautifully.